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    Hans Zimmer
    Regarding Hans Zimmer, some people think that some of his orchestrations are excessively noisy and tasteless, and I can even agree about this, but it's a matter of taste at the end. The same people who tell us that we can't say that avant-garde music is bad because of our aesthetic preferences tell us that the music of Hans Zimmer is bad because they don't like his style. Isn't this funny?

    That said, Hans Zimmer doesn't always write noisy music. Everyone with a decent ear can feel the Mozart's divinity in this theme in the score of the Lion King, for example.

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    It's a nice example for this discussion, because it's rooted in classical sacred music.



    The idea of Chat Noir that the directors buy the film scores of Hans Zimmer only because he delivers on time is ridiculous. No one gets a (well paid) job only because he delivers on time. He gets it because he delivers a product of quality.

    What does it mean "quality"? Well, just look at the Oscars of the last 30-40 years and you will see a lot of nominations for Zimmer's scores.
    His music is well regarded not only by the general public, but also by other composers (the Oscars nomination are given by composers): this is why the directors pay a lot of money for one of his scores.


    Chat Noir and Torkelburger will say that this is totally irrelevant because they don't like his music (and for some strange reasons their personal tastes have more value than that of the many), but according to this logic there are no good composers, since you always find someone who doesn't like the music of a determined composer.
    Do you know how many people (especially outside the circle of classical music) say that the music of Mozart is valueless only because they don't like it?


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      Re: Hans Zimmer
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      > Regarding Hans Zimmer, some people think that some of his orchestrations are excessively noisy and tasteless, and I can even agree about this, but it's a matter of taste at the end. The same people who tell us that we can't say that avant-garde music is bad because of our aesthetic preferences tell us that the music of Hans Zimmer is bad because they don't like his style. Isn't this funny?
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      > That said, Hans Zimmer doesn't always write noisy music. Everyone with a decent ear can feel the Mozart's divinity in this theme in the score of the Lion King, for example.
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      > It's a nice example for this discussion, because it's rooted in classical sacred music.
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      > The idea of Chat Noir that the directors buy the film scores of Hans Zimmer only because he delivers on time is ridiculous. No one gets a (well paid) job only because he delivers on time. He gets it because he delivers a product of quality.
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      > What does it mean "quality"? Well, just look at the Oscars of the last 30-40 years and you will see a lot of nominations for Zimmer's scores.
      > His music is well regarded not only by the general public, but also by other composers (the Oscars nomination are given by composers): this is why the directors pay a lot of money for one of his scores.
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      > Chat Noir and Torkelburger will say that this is totally irrelevant because they don't like his music (and for some strange reasons their personal tastes have more value than that of the many), but according to this logic there are no good composers, since you always find someone who doesn't like the music of a determined composer.
      > Do you know how many people (especially outside the circle of classical music) say that the music of Mozart is valueless only because they don't like it?

      C'è stato un tempo in cui credevo di essere un fanatico, un purista, un talebano. Ma vedo che c'è gente al cui confronto sono un commercione tollerante.
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        Re: Hans Zimmer
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        > > Regarding Hans Zimmer, some people think that some of his orchestrations are excessively noisy and tasteless, and I can even agree about this, but it's a matter of taste at the end. The same people who tell us that we can't say that avant-garde music is bad because of our aesthetic preferences tell us that the music of Hans Zimmer is bad because they don't like his style. Isn't this funny?
        > >
        > > That said, Hans Zimmer doesn't always write noisy music. Everyone with a decent ear can feel the Mozart's divinity in this theme in the score of the Lion King, for example.
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        > >
        > > It's a nice example for this discussion, because it's rooted in classical sacred music.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > The idea of Chat Noir that the directors buy the film scores of Hans Zimmer only because he delivers on time is ridiculous. No one gets a (well paid) job only because he delivers on time. He gets it because he delivers a product of quality.
        > >
        > > What does it mean "quality"? Well, just look at the Oscars of the last 30-40 years and you will see a lot of nominations for Zimmer's scores.
        > > His music is well regarded not only by the general public, but also by other composers (the Oscars nomination are given by composers): this is why the directors pay a lot of money for one of his scores.
        > >
        > >
        > > Chat Noir and Torkelburger will say that this is totally irrelevant because they don't like his music (and for some strange reasons their personal tastes have more value than that of the many), but according to this logic there are no good composers, since you always find someone who doesn't like the music of a determined composer.
        > > Do you know how many people (especially outside the circle of classical music) say that the music of Mozart is valueless only because they don't like it?
        >
        > C'è stato un tempo in cui credevo di essere un fanatico, un purista, un talebano. Ma vedo che c'è gente al cui confronto sono un commercione tollerante.
        >

        Immagino che tu ti riferisca a Chat Noir e Torkelburger perché hai intuito quale sia la loro posizione. Ho preparato qui il testo per poi postarlo in fretta e furia in Talkclassical (dal momento in cui creo un account fino al momento in cui vengo ribannato ho poco tempo).

        È ripartita la discussione sulle colonne sonore, la sto leggendo e volevo intervenire sulle ultime cose che sono state scritte.

        C'erano degli utenti che scrivevano che loro ascoltano e apprezzano le colonne sonore di film che non hanno mai visto e questo Chat Noir li ha praticamente accusati di essere dei bugiardi, perché questo smentisce la sua versione dei fatti secondo cui la gente ama le colonne sonore solo perché ama i film per cui sono state composte e quindi crea un'associazione mentale tra la musica e il film.
        In pratica secondo lui la musica classica avrebbe valore in quanto tale, mentre le colonne sonore ne hanno solo in funzione del film, quindi musica classica > colonne sonore.

        Inoltre, come avrai letto qui sopra, sostiene che l'unico motivo per cui i registi si fanno fare le colonne da Hans Zimmer è che consegna in tempo.

        In quanto a Torkelburger, invece, ha scritto che la musica di Hans Zimmer non c'entra niente con la musica classica e che è più vicina alla new age e quando avrà negato la connessione della colonna sonora del Re Leone con la musica classica (cosa che sicuramente farà) lo ridicolizzerò dimostrando che Hans Zimmer è partito dalla musica di Mozart per comporre la colonna sonora.

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          Re: Hans Zimmer
          Scritto da: Mattia
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          > > Scritto da: Mattia
          > > > Regarding Hans Zimmer, some people think that some of his orchestrations are excessively noisy and tasteless, and I can even agree about this, but it's a matter of taste at the end. The same people who tell us that we can't say that avant-garde music is bad because of our aesthetic preferences tell us that the music of Hans Zimmer is bad because they don't like his style. Isn't this funny?
          > > >
          > > > That said, Hans Zimmer doesn't always write noisy music. Everyone with a decent ear can feel the Mozart's divinity in this theme in the score of the Lion King, for example.
          > > >
          > > >
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          > > >
          > > > It's a nice example for this discussion, because it's rooted in classical sacred music.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > The idea of Chat Noir that the directors buy the film scores of Hans Zimmer only because he delivers on time is ridiculous. No one gets a (well paid) job only because he delivers on time. He gets it because he delivers a product of quality.
          > > >
          > > > What does it mean "quality"? Well, just look at the Oscars of the last 30-40 years and you will see a lot of nominations for Zimmer's scores.
          > > > His music is well regarded not only by the general public, but also by other composers (the Oscars nomination are given by composers): this is why the directors pay a lot of money for one of his scores.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Chat Noir and Torkelburger will say that this is totally irrelevant because they don't like his music (and for some strange reasons their personal tastes have more value than that of the many), but according to this logic there are no good composers, since you always find someone who doesn't like the music of a determined composer.
          > > > Do you know how many people (especially outside the circle of classical music) say that the music of Mozart is valueless only because they don't like it?
          > >
          > > C'è stato un tempo in cui credevo di essere un fanatico, un purista, un talebano. Ma vedo che c'è gente al cui confronto sono un commercione tollerante.
          > >
          >
          > Immagino che tu ti riferisca a Chat Noir e Torkelburger perché hai intuito quale sia la loro posizione.

          È la posizione di quelli che si specializzano nel farsi piacere una sola cosa.

          Ad esempio a me piace questa architettura

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          o anche, più decrepite, queste case

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          o un ambiente come questo, da un film di Harry Potter

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          ma col tempo ho visto che mi piace anche una casa come questa

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          solo che non la ritengo adatta allo stesso luogo a cui sono adatte le prime.
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