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    Un boylover si chiede se dobbiamo o meno supportare l'espansione islamica
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    "Alright, so this is a question that seems more and more relevant for each year. First off, i think all the claims that Muslims are "taking over Europe" are bogus and more or less racist propaganda, plain and simple. The vast majority have no interest in converting "westerners" at all, if anything they almost openly oppose it, as they want their mosques and organisations to be only for their respective ethnic groups, not even other Muslim ethnicities. And that's not a good thing in itself, but it's besides the point of this thread.

    However, that might be changing and in some countries (Sweden not really being one of them yet) there are more and more movements to convert the non-Muslim population. The question is if we should support it?

    Muslims all over the world are, after all, some of the most CL-supportive people and i suspect even in remote parts of Europe there are a lot of secrets going on within the local Muslim communities, if you know what i mean.

    But on the other hand, most of the Muslim politicians, social workers, teachers, media personalities etc. tend to be very secularized or "liberal" Muslims, well-educated middle class left-wingers, who unfortunately also tend to be the least CL-friendly.

    The other major force, of course, are the ultra-conservative, often Saudi-funded salafists/wahabists who run a worrying (and not well-known) amount of mosques and organisations, and they of course, are ultra-anti-gay, CL and anti-pretty much everything else besides attending and giving money to their mosques. They are a problem, but not really a major one if people were just more aware of what they are, and what Islam really is about.

    So in the middle of these, we have the ones who keep actual traditional culture (which the modern extremism is not) and these are the ones we should support. But how? Do you know of any BLs who converted to Islam, or are Muslims who live in the west?"

    https://www.boychat.org/messages/1517918.htm
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      Re: Un boylover si chiede se dobbiamo o meno supportare l'espansione islamica
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      > Da boychat.org
      >
      > "Alright, so this is a question that seems more and more relevant for each year. First off, i think all the claims that Muslims are "taking over Europe" are bogus and more or less racist propaganda, plain and simple. The vast majority have no interest in converting "westerners" at all, if anything they almost openly oppose it, as they want their mosques and organisations to be only for their respective ethnic groups, not even other Muslim ethnicities. And that's not a good thing in itself, but it's besides the point of this thread.
      >
      > However, that might be changing and in some countries (Sweden not really being one of them yet) there are more and more movements to convert the non-Muslim population. The question is if we should support it?
      >
      > Muslims all over the world are, after all, some of the most CL-supportive people and i suspect even in remote parts of Europe there are a lot of secrets going on within the local Muslim communities, if you know what i mean.
      >
      > But on the other hand, most of the Muslim politicians, social workers, teachers, media personalities etc. tend to be very secularized or "liberal" Muslims, well-educated middle class left-wingers, who unfortunately also tend to be the least CL-friendly.
      >
      > The other major force, of course, are the ultra-conservative, often Saudi-funded salafists/wahabists who run a worrying (and not well-known) amount of mosques and organisations, and they of course, are ultra-anti-gay, CL and anti-pretty much everything else besides attending and giving money to their mosques. They are a problem, but not really a major one if people were just more aware of what they are, and what Islam really is about.
      >
      > So in the middle of these, we have the ones who keep actual traditional culture (which the modern extremism is not) and these are the ones we should support. But how? Do you know of any BLs who converted to Islam, or are Muslims who live in the west?"
      >
      > https://www.boychat.org/messages/1517918.htm

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      "Islam is a religion based on terror, fear and intimidation. It is not open to changes, doesn't take knowledge into account and is hostile to reformation.

      Islam is a bad religion, probably the worst there is. Once becoming a Muslim, you die as a Muslim or very shortly after rejecting Islam. At least, you are dead to the community you once was a part of. You are forced to become a Muslim, if one of your parent is. You have to stay a Muslim out of fear of revenge by Allah. Muslims are told that all unbelievers should burn in hell for eternity.

      Shortly after the danish cartoons, the most prominent Mullah in my country was asked about the related violence - he said it was justified since they were critical/mocking Islam and Muhammad. There is no tolerance by Muslims.

      Moreover, Muslims do not integrate into the population when they are migrating to other countries - they create a parallel society, even demanding their own laws (Sharia in UK). They want to keep their old traditions and superstitions, even against better knowledge. The reason behind not eating pork are hilarious.

      I am not a racist with respect to Islam, because Islam is not a race.
      I am not islamophobic, because it is not an irrational fear. Claustrophobia is irrational, because close spaces don't kill. Muslims kill in the name of religion. Ask Theo van Gogh about his irrational fear - he was killed by a Muslim. Or ask Salman Rushdie, who got a death fatwa. Ask any ex-Muslim what they think. Ask those who heard "Allah Akbar" just before they died. Islam want's to be feared. And if not, they are turning to violence.

      Andalusia in Spain was islamic, the Alhambra is the only islamic building complex left. Christians have eradicated Islam in Europe in the dark ages. Hungary has fought the Ottoman empire and does not allow Muslims to immigrate.

      There are no "secularized" Muslims. Those attempting to reform Islam are target for violence and intimidation by those "proper" Muslims.

      Barack Obama told a huge lie, when he said that 99.9% of Muslims want peace and tolerance. One would think that only 0.1% is extremists. Kazakhstan has most tolerant Muslim population according to Pew Research - only 2% want the death penalty for those who leave Islam. In general over 50% wants the death penalty for Apostasy and similar for adultery (average of all the 37 mostly islamic region in the world).

      Sweden does not feel Swedish any longer. You see immigrants all the time.

      Any support of Islam is suicide."
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