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foto del mio cazzofroci, sapevo che avrei attirato la vs attenzione con il titolo.
https://iainews.iai.tv/articles/why-study-philosop...
We must challenge the thought that philosophy aims to contribute to human knowledge of the world. Its task is to resolve philosophical problems. The characteristic feature of philosophical problems is their non-empirical, a priori character: no scientific experiment can settle the question of whether the mind is the brain, what the meaning of a word is, whether human beings are responsible for their deeds (i.e. have free will), whether trees falling on uninhabited desert islands make any noise, what makes necessary truths necessary. All these, and many hundreds more, are conceptual questions. They are not questions about concepts (philosophy is not a science of concepts). But they are questions that are to be answered, resolved or dissolved by careful scrutiny of the concepts involved.
The only way to scrutinise concepts is to examine the use of the words that express them. Conceptual investigations are investigations into what makes sense and what does not. And, of course, questions of sense precede questions of empirical truth – for if something makes no sense, it can be neither true nor false. It is just nonsense – not silly, but rather: it transgresses the bounds of sense. Philosophy patrols the borders between sense and nonsense; science determines what is empirically true and what is empirically false. What falsehood is for science, nonsense is for philosophy.
So, why study philosophy?
There are many reasons, and many different kinds of reason. At a very general level, it is a unique technique for tackling conceptual questions that occur to most thinking people: questions concerning the existence of God, of an afterlife, and of free will. Also questions concerning human nature: what is the mind? How is the mind related to the body? Do we have a soul?
For although these look as if they are factual questions, they are not. They are purely conceptual questions that are to be resolved by conceptual inquiry. Philosophy also gives us techniques for handling fundamental methodological problems concerning explanations of human behaviour: what is the difference between being caused to do something, being made to do something, and acting for a reason? These in turn are pivotal for understanding the rights and wrongs of allocating responsibility. And philosophy is the sole subject that confronts questions about how we ought to live, what kind of society we ought to aspire to, and what system of laws befits rational beings living under the rule of law.
The study of philosophy cultivates a healthy scepticism about the moral opinions, political arguments and economic reasonings with which we are daily bombarded by ideologues, churchmen, politicians and economists. It teaches one to detect ‘higher forms of nonsense’, to identify humbug, to weed out hypocrisy, and to spot invalid reasoning. It curbs our taste for nonsense, and gives us a nose for it instead. It teaches us not to rush to affirm or deny assertions, but to raise questions about them.
Even more importantly, it teaches us to raise questions about questions, to probe for their tacit assumptions and presuppositions, and to challenge these when warranted. In this way it gives us a distance from passion-provoking issues – a degree of detachment that is conducive to reason and reasonableness.
Peter Hacker | Emeritus research fellow at St John’s College, Oxford University and noted scholar on Wittgenstein.
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Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2018-02-19 17:06:38.0 alle 2018-02-19 17:06:38.0Scritto da: dada216
> froci, sapevo che avrei attirato la vs attenzione con il titolo.
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> https://iainews.iai.tv/articles/why-study-philosop...
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> We must challenge the thought that philosophy aims to contribute to human knowledge of the world. Its task is to resolve philosophical problems. The characteristic feature of philosophical problems is their non-empirical, a priori character: no scientific experiment can settle the question of whether the mind is the brain, what the meaning of a word is, whether human beings are responsible for their deeds (i.e. have free will), whether trees falling on uninhabited desert islands make any noise, what makes necessary truths necessary. All these, and many hundreds more, are conceptual questions. They are not questions about concepts (philosophy is not a science of concepts). But they are questions that are to be answered, resolved or dissolved by careful scrutiny of the concepts involved.
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> The only way to scrutinise concepts is to examine the use of the words that express them. Conceptual investigations are investigations into what makes sense and what does not. And, of course, questions of sense precede questions of empirical truth – for if something makes no sense, it can be neither true nor false. It is just nonsense – not silly, but rather: it transgresses the bounds of sense. Philosophy patrols the borders between sense and nonsense; science determines what is empirically true and what is empirically false. What falsehood is for science, nonsense is for philosophy.
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> So, why study philosophy?
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> There are many reasons, and many different kinds of reason. At a very general level, it is a unique technique for tackling conceptual questions that occur to most thinking people: questions concerning the existence of God, of an afterlife, and of free will. Also questions concerning human nature: what is the mind? How is the mind related to the body? Do we have a soul?
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> For although these look as if they are factual questions, they are not. They are purely conceptual questions that are to be resolved by conceptual inquiry. Philosophy also gives us techniques for handling fundamental methodological problems concerning explanations of human behaviour: what is the difference between being caused to do something, being made to do something, and acting for a reason? These in turn are pivotal for understanding the rights and wrongs of allocating responsibility. And philosophy is the sole subject that confronts questions about how we ought to live, what kind of society we ought to aspire to, and what system of laws befits rational beings living under the rule of law.
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> The study of philosophy cultivates a healthy scepticism about the moral opinions, political arguments and economic reasonings with which we are daily bombarded by ideologues, churchmen, politicians and economists. It teaches one to detect ‘higher forms of nonsense’, to identify humbug, to weed out hypocrisy, and to spot invalid reasoning. It curbs our taste for nonsense, and gives us a nose for it instead. It teaches us not to rush to affirm or deny assertions, but to raise questions about them.
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> Even more importantly, it teaches us to raise questions about questions, to probe for their tacit assumptions and presuppositions, and to challenge these when warranted. In this way it gives us a distance from passion-provoking issues – a degree of detachment that is conducive to reason and reasonableness.
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> Peter Hacker | Emeritus research fellow at St John’s College, Oxford University and noted scholar on Wittgenstein.
È un punto di vista. Per esempio non concordo su questo:
questions concerning the existence of God, of an afterlife, and of free will. Also questions concerning human nature: what is the mind? How is the mind related to the body? Do we have a soul?
For although these look as if they are factual questions, they are not. They are purely conceptual questions that are to be resolved by conceptual inquiry.
Una domanda come "abbiamo un'anima?" prima necessita una definizione di anima, che si suppone data da un insieme di proprietà che si sarà in grado di precisare man mano che progredisce la conoscenza della mente, e poi un esperimento per stabilirne l'esistenza.
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Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto daavvelentaniCubicolarioil 2018-02-19 19:03:51.0 alle 2018-02-19 19:03:51.0Trollate totali: 18184Scritto da: dada216
> no scientific experiment can settle the question of whether the mind is the brain, what the meaning of a word is, whether human beings are responsible for their deeds (i.e. have free will), whether trees falling on uninhabited desert islands make any noise, what makes necessary truths necessary.
queste sono quasi tutte questioni scientifiche.I think happiness is love
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Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto da: avvelentani
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> > no scientific experiment can settle the question of whether the mind is the brain, what the meaning of a word is, whether human beings are responsible for their deeds (i.e. have free will), whether trees falling on uninhabited desert islands make any noise, what makes necessary truths necessary.
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> queste sono quasi tutte questioni scientifiche.
Quasi?
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Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto daavvelentaniCubicolarioil 2018-02-19 21:58:31.0 alle 2018-02-19 21:58:31.0Trollate totali: 18184Scritto da: dada216
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> > > no scientific experiment can settle the question of whether the mind is the brain, what the meaning of a word is, whether human beings are responsible for their deeds (i.e. have free will), whether trees falling on uninhabited desert islands make any noise, what makes necessary truths necessary.
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questa:
> what makes necessary truths necessary
non lo e`I think happiness is love
- Vladimir Putin-
Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto da: avvelentani
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> > > > no scientific experiment can settle the question of whether the mind is the brain, what the meaning of a word is, whether human beings are responsible for their deeds (i.e. have free will), whether trees falling on uninhabited desert islands make any noise, what makes necessary truths necessary.
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La pensiamo allo stesso modo, che tragedia.
Cmq ho tagliato delle parti, tra cui
Let me give you a simple example or two. When psychologists and cognitive scientists say that it is your brain that thinks rather than nodding your head and saying, “How interesting! What an important discovery!”, you should pause to wonder what this means. What, you might then ask, is a thoughtful brain, and what is a thoughtless one?
Can my brain concentrate on what I am doing, or does it just concentrate on what it is doing? Does my brain hold political opinions? Is it, as Gilbert and Sullivan might ask, a little Conservative or a little Liberal? Can it be opinionated? Narrow-minded? What on earth would an opinionated and narrow-minded brain be? Just ask yourself: if it is your brain that thinks, how does your brain tell you what it thinks? And can you disagree with it? And if you do, how do you tell it that it is mistaken, that what it thinks is false? And can your brain understand what you say to it? Can it speak English? If you continue this line of questioning you will come to realise that the very idea that the brain thinks makes no sense. But, of course, to show why it makes no sense requires a great deal more work.Please consider the environment before printing this message, 50% of the above is useless!-
Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto daavvelentaniCubicolarioil 2018-02-20 12:27:02.0 alle 2018-02-20 12:27:02.0Trollate totali: 18184Scritto da: dada216
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> Let me give you a simple example or two. When psychologists and cognitive scientists say that it is your brain that thinks rather than nodding your head and saying, “How interesting! What an important discovery!”, you should pause to wonder what this means. What, you might then ask, is a thoughtful brain, and what is a thoughtless one?
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> Can my brain concentrate on what I am doing, or does it just concentrate on what it is doing? Does my brain hold political opinions? Is it, as Gilbert and Sullivan might ask, a little Conservative or a little Liberal? Can it be opinionated? Narrow-minded? What on earth would an opinionated and narrow-minded brain be? Just ask yourself: if it is your brain that thinks, how does your brain tell you what it thinks? And can you disagree with it? And if you do, how do you tell it that it is mistaken, that what it thinks is false? And can your brain understand what you say to it? Can it speak English? If you continue this line of questioning you will come to realise that the very idea that the brain thinks makes no sense. But, of course, to show why it makes no sense requires a great deal more work.
patetico
PS. dovrebbero piuttosto andare a lavorare nei campi.
**Modificato dall'autore il 20.02.2018 12:28**I think happiness is love
- Vladimir Putin-
Re: foto del mio cazzommmh
questo e' l'autorehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hacker#cite_no...

Peter Michael Stephan Hacker (born 15 July 1939) is a British philosopher. His principal expertise is in the philosophy of mind and philosophy of language. He is known for his detailed exegesis of the work of Ludwig Wittgenstein, and his outspoken conceptual critique of cognitive neuroscience
Philosophical inquiry is therefore very different from scientific inquiry, and Hacker maintains accordingly that there is a sharp dividing line between the two: "Philosophy is not a contribution to human knowledge, but to human understanding" (quoted from "An Orrery of Intentionality"). This has led him into direct disagreement with "neuro-philosophers": neuroscientists or philosophers such as Antonio Damasio and Daniel Dennett who think that neuroscience can shed light on philosophical questions such as the nature of consciousness or the mind-body problem. Hacker maintains that these, like all philosophical problems, are not real problems at all, but mirages arising from conceptual confusion. It follows that scientific inquiry (learning more facts about humans or the world) does not help to resolve them. His 2003 book "Philosophical Foundations of Neuroscience", co-authored with neuroscientist Max Bennett, contains an exposition of these views, and critiques of the ideas of many contemporary neuroscientists and philosophers, including Francis Crick, Antonio Damasio, Daniel Dennett, John Searle, and others.
Sempre dello stesso autore
http://www-physics.lbl.gov/~stapp/Phil_neuro.pdf
Philosophical foundations of neuroscience.
The problem at issue here is the nature of connection between the features of the experiments described in psychological/mentalistic terms and the features described in
spacio-temporally-based physical terms. This question is an aspect of the long-standing problem of the relationship between mind and matter, which has a history dating back to the time of the ancient Greeks. The issue was rekindled by the rise of Newtonian physics during the seventeenth century, and it generated a huge body of speculation and argumentation during the second half of the twentieth century.
It is neither appropriate nor feasible try to review or explain here the complexities of contemporary philosophical opinions on this question, except to say that the reigning view is “materialism,” and that: (1), there is no agreement among its proponents as to how to make rational good sense of this doctrine (Horgan, 1994); and (2), the doctrine, and its supporters, seem, nevertheless, to have strongly influenced the thinking of many neuroscientists.
The central thesis of materialism is that:
“The human body is a causally complete physico-chemical system: although the body is highly susceptible to external causal influences, all physical events in the body, and all bodily movements are fully explainable in physico-chemical terms.” (Horgan, 1994:472)
This thesis is, from a contemporary physics point of view, very obscure: What does “causally complete physico-chemical system” mean? It seems to be referring back to the seventheenth/nineteenth century classical-physics conception of nature, which is now known to fundamentally false. If the doctrine does indeed assume a classical-physics-typeof conception of nature, then every bodily movement would indeed be in principle fully explainable in physico-chemical terms. But no reference to mental states or events occurs in classical physics. Hence one is faced with a question that the proponents of materialism have debated at length: how does one inject causally efficacious mind into this causally complete physical description of nature that make no mention of mind.
The ingenuity of philosophers has provided many possible answers, but every proposal seems flawed to other philosophers, and debate continues.
In addition to the problem of trying to attach causally efficacious mind onto a causally complete mindless theory, there is a still more basic problem: classical physical theory is
known to be fundamentally false, and in principle inapplicable to systems, such as brains, that depend sensitively upon, for example, the motions of ions. And there is also the problem that the physico-classical aspect of contemporary physical theory, by itself, does not yield any predictions about empirically accessible data. To obtain even statistical predictions in quantum theory one needs to bring in “The Observer,” who is described, fundamentally, in psychological/mentalistic terms. And this “Observer” plays a participatory role in the quantum formulation: he is not the purely passive observer of classical physics. He enters into the dynamics in a causally efficacious way.
In view of these profound, and apparently profoundly relevant, deviations of contemporary physics from what is essentially the seventeenth century materialist creation of Isaac Newton, it is strange that twenty-first century neuroscientists shouldadhere so unwaveringly to that seemingly inappropriate and ill-defined doctrine based on a now-known-to-be-fundamentally-false physical theory.
What orthodox quantum theory affirms, and materialism appears to deny, is that psychologically described realities enter fundamentally into the scientific description of phenomena, and have, per se, causal effects that are not explained solely in terms of the physical laws that are the generalization of the physical laws of classical physical theory.
These causal effects are, however, explained by using other laws of quantum physics, which have no analog in classical physics.
The big problem with materialism as a basis for neuroscience is that it elevates to primary status, by fiat, the (actually nonexistent) physical entities of classical physics, and
relegates to secondary status the experiential realities that are the primary variables of pragmatic empirical science. Classical physics does not explain how functional properties
come to be connected to experiential realities, and hence fails to explain the causal efficacy of our thoughts. The power of our thought to influence bodily action seems, therefore, from the standpoint of classical physics, to be some sort of illusion, or at least unexplained mystery. Quantum theory, on the other hand, displays the mechanism of conscious control, and hence dispels the mystery. The details are given in a later section.
[Horgan, Terence E. (1994). Physicalism. In Samuel Guttenplan (Ed.) A companion to the philosophy of mind (471-479). Oxford: Blackwell.]
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Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto daavvelentaniCubicolarioil 2018-02-20 15:24:36.0 alle 2018-02-20 15:24:36.0Trollate totali: 18184Scritto da: dada216
> But no reference to mental states or events occurs in classical physics. Hence one is faced with a question that the proponents of materialism have debated at length: how does one inject causally efficacious mind into this causally complete physical description of nature that make no mention of mind.
Secondo questa logica anche i computer sono fisicamente impossibili. Non voglio piu` leggere nulla di questo tizio, e` troppo stupido. Ti proibisco di postare altro.
I think happiness is love
- Vladimir Putin-
Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto da: avvelentani
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> > But no reference to mental states or events occurs in classical physics. Hence one is faced with a question that the proponents of materialism have debated at length: how does one inject causally efficacious mind into this causally complete physical description of nature that make no mention of mind.
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> Secondo questa logica anche i computer sono fisicamente impossibili. Non voglio piu` leggere nulla di questo tizio, e` troppo stupido. Ti proibisco di postare altro.
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lol anche io ho avuto dei ribollimenti di sangue, sono il piu' gretto materialista che conosco (in filosofia, non nei miei valori personali).
pero' sono scritte bene dai, questo concediamoglielo, carriera interessante cmq.Please consider the environment before printing this message, 50% of the above is useless!-
Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2018-02-20 16:07:03.0 alle 2018-02-20 16:07:03.0Scritto da: dada216
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> lol anche io ho avuto dei ribollimenti di sangue, sono il piu' gretto materialista che conosco (in filosofia, non nei miei valori personali).
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> pero' sono scritte bene dai, questo concediamoglielo, carriera interessante cmq.
Scritte bene ma non si capisce esattamente cosa vuol dire. A volte ho la sensazione che voglia dire cosa ho in mente io, a volte no.
Ad esempio Voltaire irrise il determinismo chiedendo se la sentenza emessa da un giudice dipendesse dalla posizione e velocità dei suoi atomi la sera prima. Con acume unito a caratteristica superficialità Voltaire ha irriso troppe cose che sono invece questioni interessanti.
A mio parere, che cago qui senza pretesa che qualcuno venga a spalare, tanta confusione e tanto pasticcio provengono dall'interpretazione di Copenhagen della meccanica quantistica, che ti viene ammannita come verità colata quando, da non fisico, chiedi a dei fisici di spiegarti la meccanica quantistica.
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Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto daavvelentaniCubicolarioil 2018-02-19 22:17:37.0 alle 2018-02-19 22:17:37.0Trollate totali: 18184Scritto da: ::1
> Sì, ma la foto?
gayI think happiness is love
- Vladimir Putin-
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> Sì, ma la foto?
Nn la posto per rispetto della campesina.
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Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto daavvelenatoun mezzo cavalloil 2018-02-19 22:38:15.0 alle 2018-02-19 22:38:15.0Trollate totali: 14239Scritto da: dada216
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Nel senso che temi di deluderla?I pedoni possono muoversi solo in avanti.
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Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2018-02-19 22:39:28.0 alle 2018-02-19 22:39:28.0Scritto da: dada216
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Ho la libido sotto le scarpe ma questo non vuol dire che nn riesca nemmeno a fare un cazzo di marmo da spaccare in mano (cit required)Please consider the environment before printing this message, 50% of the above is useless!-
Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2018-02-19 22:46:56.0 alle 2018-02-19 22:46:56.0Scritto da: dada216
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Goloso.
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Re: foto del mio cazzoScritto daNon Autenticatoil 2018-02-19 22:42:45.0 alle 2018-02-19 22:42:45.0Scritto da: dada216
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Usiamo la Campesina come scusa. Pfff
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